# Need help in the Daedalus wallet **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussions\ **Tags:** daedalus, wallet\ **Created:** [19 May 2023 10:51 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/need-help-in-the-daedalus-wallet/118034 "2023-05-19T10:51:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jaime\_Peixoto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jaime\_Peixoto](https://forum.cardano.org/u/Jaime_Peixoto)\ **Post date:** [19 May 2023 10:51 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/need-help-in-the-daedalus-wallet/118034/1 "2023-05-19T10:51:37Z")
I have been in this situation for years now. I have a first era Daedalus wallet and I have lost both the spending password and the seed phrase for it. I thought I had the phrase but it turn out to be a papper wallet seed. I have looked for a solution for years but nothing. I still have all the wallet files on my pc and the secret file intact. Is there a way to help me in any way possible??? ---
**Author:** ![HeptaSean](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.cardano.org/heptasean/32/82306_2.png) [@HeptaSean](https://forum.cardano.org/u/HeptaSean)\ **Post date:** [19 May 2023 13:14 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/need-help-in-the-daedalus-wallet/118034/2 "2023-05-19T13:14:08Z")
> [@Jaime\_Peixoto](#): > > I have lost both the spending password and the seed phrase for it. That’s usually game over. > [@Jaime\_Peixoto](#): > > I thought I had the phrase but it turn out to be a papper wallet seed. Best chance is to search again and again and again. > [@Jaime\_Peixoto](#): > > I still have all the wallet files on my pc and the secret file intact. As far as I understood > [@If you import secret.key without password setting, an error will occur at the time of remittance](https://forum.cardano.org/t/if-you-import-secret-key-without-password-setting-an-error-will-occur-at-the-time-of-remittance/106857/3): > > Failing to move funds for a wallet created by an imported secret.key means: That the derived signing key(s) are not related for the address(es) holding the fund(s). How can this be happened? The esk has 3 parts 64-byte de/encrypted master/root secret key 32-byte non-encryted master/root public key 32-byte non-encryted length chain code The following cases can be assumed: esk / passwordHash empty pw hash non-empty pw hash non-encrypted sk Valid1 Invalid2 encrypted sk Inva… there was a possibility to have an _empty_ spending password. Are you sure that yours was non-empty? ---
**Author:** ![Jaime\_Peixoto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jaime\_Peixoto](https://forum.cardano.org/u/Jaime_Peixoto)\ **Post date:** [19 May 2023 19:33 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/need-help-in-the-daedalus-wallet/118034/3 "2023-05-19T19:33:38Z")
When I openned the Wallet I Don’t remember any spending password. How can this BE? ---
**Author:** ![HeptaSean](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.cardano.org/heptasean/32/82306_2.png) [@HeptaSean](https://forum.cardano.org/u/HeptaSean)\ **Post date:** [19 May 2023 20:01 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/need-help-in-the-daedalus-wallet/118034/4 "2023-05-19T20:01:46Z")
> [@Jaime\_Peixoto](#): > > I Don’t remember any spending password. You could read the linked post and the Github repository [https://github.com/CardanoSolutions/ByronWalletRecovery](https://github.com/CardanoSolutions/ByronWalletRecovery) linked from there. It seems like in the early days it _was_ possible to not set a password at all or set an empty password. But, honestly, @KtorZ and @_ilap know much more about these early Byron wallet recoveries than me. ---
**Author:** ![Jaime\_Peixoto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jaime\_Peixoto](https://forum.cardano.org/u/Jaime_Peixoto)\ **Post date:** [19 May 2023 22:40 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/need-help-in-the-daedalus-wallet/118034/5 "2023-05-19T22:40:41Z")
How can I transfer without a password or with a empty One? Can I ask anyone for Help? ---
**Author:** ![HeptaSean](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.cardano.org/heptasean/32/82306_2.png) [@HeptaSean](https://forum.cardano.org/u/HeptaSean)\ **Post date:** [19 May 2023 22:42 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/need-help-in-the-daedalus-wallet/118034/6 "2023-05-19T22:42:55Z")
You could try: [https://iohk.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new](https://iohk.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new) They wrote it. They should know. (Would be really nice if you could report back here.) ---
**Author:** ![Jaime\_Peixoto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jaime\_Peixoto](https://forum.cardano.org/u/Jaime_Peixoto)\ **Post date:** [21 May 2023 22:39 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/need-help-in-the-daedalus-wallet/118034/7 "2023-05-21T22:39:40Z")
They Said they could not Help as always… ---
**Author:** ![FlippyFlink](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.cardano.org/flippyflink/32/8832_2.png) [@FlippyFlink](https://forum.cardano.org/u/FlippyFlink)\ **Post date:** [23 May 2023 14:16 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/need-help-in-the-daedalus-wallet/118034/9 "2023-05-23T14:16:25Z")
Thats so sad ☹ I don’t know how much crypto we are talking about, but you could make a backup, just in case the computer crashes. Also you have unlimited tries to brute force the spending password. > [@Brute force spending password](https://forum.cardano.org/t/brute-force-spending-password/67465): > > Please someone help me. I’m an idiot and I don’t have my seed phrases and I can’t remember my spending password. I have 21k Ada in my Daedalus wallet, I’m so fucking stupid :// please someone help Brute forcing the spending password is ‘easier’ that the seed phrase (more possible combinations). Maybe someone will come up with a piece of software to brute force it. When creating a new wallet you could consider storing your seed phrase redundant, like in this template: > **[File:Seed-phrase-wallet-backup-template-page2.png](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Seed-phrase-wallet-backup-template-page2.png)** Good luck!