# What would prevent cardano-node 1.29 from creating it's node.socket file on startup? **URL:** \ **Category:** Setup a Stake Pool\ **Tags:** cardano\ **Created:** [14 September 2021 14:45 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/what-would-prevent-cardano-node-1-29-from-creating-its-node-socket-file-on-startup/74106 "2021-09-14T14:45:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Curtis\_Paul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.cardano.org/curtis_paul/32/23681_2.png) [@Curtis\_Paul](https://forum.cardano.org/u/Curtis_Paul)\ **Post date:** [14 September 2021 14:45 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/what-would-prevent-cardano-node-1-29-from-creating-its-node-socket-file-on-startup/74106/1 "2021-09-14T14:45:43Z")
Setup a new cardano-node 1.29 relay. Sometimes it creates node.socket when the process starts, most of the time it doesn’t. What would prevent cardano-node from creating node.socket? Is there a delay in creating it when the process first starts? Could there be an issue with the configuration of cardano-node that is causing this, if so what could it be? Or could it be something else? Bug? Poorly designed software? Administrator of this relay is an idiot? I haven’t found much documentation describing expected behavior so looking to know what other experiences have been with this situation. ---
**Author:** ![Alexd1985](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.cardano.org/alexd1985/32/23759_2.png) [@Alexd1985](https://forum.cardano.org/u/Alexd1985)\ **Post date:** [14 September 2021 15:00 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/what-would-prevent-cardano-node-1-29-from-creating-its-node-socket-file-on-startup/74106/2 "2021-09-14T15:00:11Z")
the socket file will be created when the node start… if it was issues then will not start and it will not create the file… You can check the logs with: journalctl -e -f -u cardano-node sudo systemctl status cardano-node ---
**Author:** ![Curtis\_Paul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.cardano.org/curtis_paul/32/23681_2.png) [@Curtis\_Paul](https://forum.cardano.org/u/Curtis_Paul)\ **Post date:** [14 September 2021 16:40 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/what-would-prevent-cardano-node-1-29-from-creating-its-node-socket-file-on-startup/74106/3 "2021-09-14T16:40:09Z")
Thanks for the suggestions. My cardano-node process runs and I don’t see any errors or anything with it during run time that would make me suspect that there is a configuration issue, etc… What it seems like is that sometimes it takes awhile for cardano-node to create the socket file. I guess my assumption is someone writing code for a network service would have it create it’s socket file immediately before it does any other work. I suspect that is not the case with cardano-node. Maybe cardano-node does some sort of data integrity check before it starts it’s network services?..but not sure I’m convinced about that because I do see it logging network related messages even though the socket file isn’t created upon startup, don’t remember exactly what those messages were. I had to back off on the default logging verbose because it was making giant syslog files. I’ll have to do a restart and time how long it takes a few times to see if it’s consistent or has something to do with the amount of data cardano-node is processing at start up. I’m going to make a guestimate that it takes longer to create the socket file every time I restart the service because the process is still syncing since it’s a new server. Either that or I am doing something wrong and the node.socket file should get created immediately upon startup every time. ---
**Author:** ![Alexd1985](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.cardano.org/alexd1985/32/23759_2.png) [@Alexd1985](https://forum.cardano.org/u/Alexd1985)\ **Post date:** [14 September 2021 16:52 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/what-would-prevent-cardano-node-1-29-from-creating-its-node-socket-file-on-startup/74106/4 "2021-09-14T16:52:16Z")
Remember that sudo systemctl restart cardano-node will force the node to close the DB not properlly You must use sudo systemctl stop/start cardano-node Also the hardware configuration is very important ---
**Author:** ![Curtis\_Paul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.cardano.org/curtis_paul/32/23681_2.png) [@Curtis\_Paul](https://forum.cardano.org/u/Curtis_Paul)\ **Post date:** [14 September 2021 17:10 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/what-would-prevent-cardano-node-1-29-from-creating-its-node-socket-file-on-startup/74106/5 "2021-09-14T17:10:52Z")
I didn’t realize that. Are you suggesting that the node.socket file creation may be delayed due to improper closing of the DB? I assume you are. So if the DB is not closed properly is there a maintenance step that needs to/could be done to improve the situation? ---
**Author:** ![Alexd1985](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.cardano.org/alexd1985/32/23759_2.png) [@Alexd1985](https://forum.cardano.org/u/Alexd1985)\ **Post date:** [14 September 2021 17:20 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/what-would-prevent-cardano-node-1-29-from-creating-its-node-socket-file-on-startup/74106/6 "2021-09-14T17:20:28Z")
use stop/start instead restart… u can test and check for the differences ---
**Author:** ![Curtis\_Paul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.cardano.org/curtis_paul/32/23681_2.png) [@Curtis\_Paul](https://forum.cardano.org/u/Curtis_Paul)\ **Post date:** [14 September 2021 17:22 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/what-would-prevent-cardano-node-1-29-from-creating-its-node-socket-file-on-startup/74106/7 "2021-09-14T17:22:56Z")
So if the DB is not closed properly, does cardano-node recover from that automatically upon start? ---
**Author:** ![Alexd1985](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.cardano.org/alexd1985/32/23759_2.png) [@Alexd1985](https://forum.cardano.org/u/Alexd1985)\ **Post date:** [14 September 2021 17:23 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/what-would-prevent-cardano-node-1-29-from-creating-its-node-socket-file-on-startup/74106/8 "2021-09-14T17:23:28Z")
Yes, but will start harder ---
**Author:** ![Curtis\_Paul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.cardano.org/curtis_paul/32/23681_2.png) [@Curtis\_Paul](https://forum.cardano.org/u/Curtis_Paul)\ **Post date:** [14 September 2021 17:28 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/what-would-prevent-cardano-node-1-29-from-creating-its-node-socket-file-on-startup/74106/9 "2021-09-14T17:28:21Z")
Ok, I checked my relay, it had a node.socket file. I did a systemctl stop and then start on it, and the node.socket file did not get created. Waited a few more minutes, no node.socket file. I suspect it will eventually get created at some point, although I have no idea when. So is this delay due to previous improper systemclt restart’s and maybe “corruption” or whatever wrong happens to the DB? Is there a way to fix the DB? Is the DB broken/corrupt? ---
**Author:** ![Alexd1985](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.cardano.org/alexd1985/32/23759_2.png) [@Alexd1985](https://forum.cardano.org/u/Alexd1985)\ **Post date:** [14 September 2021 17:31 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/what-would-prevent-cardano-node-1-29-from-creating-its-node-socket-file-on-startup/74106/10 "2021-09-14T17:31:16Z")
Nope but the node.socket file will be created only when the node will start ---
**Author:** ![Curtis\_Paul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.cardano.org/curtis_paul/32/23681_2.png) [@Curtis\_Paul](https://forum.cardano.org/u/Curtis_Paul)\ **Post date:** [14 September 2021 18:41 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/what-would-prevent-cardano-node-1-29-from-creating-its-node-socket-file-on-startup/74106/11 "2021-09-14T18:41:31Z")
Ok…well…per your comment earlier about restart versus stop/start…I see no behavior difference with either method of restarting cardano-node. Creation of the node.socket file is delayed either way. So should I always expect it to take time to create the node.socket file after starting cardano-node or should it be created immediately on start with no delay? I guess I’m just trying to understand what to expect from cardano-node. Resources are not an issue. ---
**Author:** ![Alexd1985](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.cardano.org/alexd1985/32/23759_2.png) [@Alexd1985](https://forum.cardano.org/u/Alexd1985)\ **Post date:** [14 September 2021 19:00 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/what-would-prevent-cardano-node-1-29-from-creating-its-node-socket-file-on-startup/74106/12 "2021-09-14T19:00:58Z")
> [@Curtis\_Paul](#): > > So should I always expect it to take time to create the node.socket file after starting cardano-node or should it be created immediately on start with no delay? Ohh no, it always be a delay, for example my node are starting in ~2 min but have 32G RAM AND 6/8 vCPU But I saw other nodes starting in ~8 min, so always it will be a delay ---
**Author:** ![Curtis\_Paul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.cardano.org/curtis_paul/32/23681_2.png) [@Curtis\_Paul](https://forum.cardano.org/u/Curtis_Paul)\ **Post date:** [14 September 2021 19:13 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/what-would-prevent-cardano-node-1-29-from-creating-its-node-socket-file-on-startup/74106/13 "2021-09-14T19:13:34Z")
Ok, now I feel better about it. Non issue then. Thanks for the insights Alex. ---
**Author:** ![mcrio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.cardano.org/mcrio/32/40017_2.png) [@mcrio](https://forum.cardano.org/u/mcrio)\ **Post date:** [14 September 2021 20:57 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/what-would-prevent-cardano-node-1-29-from-creating-its-node-socket-file-on-startup/74106/14 "2021-09-14T20:57:12Z")
IIRC the socket file will not be created until fully synced. ---
**Author:** ![mcrio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.cardano.org/mcrio/32/40017_2.png) [@mcrio](https://forum.cardano.org/u/mcrio)\ **Post date:** [14 September 2021 21:04 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/what-would-prevent-cardano-node-1-29-from-creating-its-node-socket-file-on-startup/74106/15 "2021-09-14T21:04:44Z")
Regarding service start and corrupted database. Look for `TimeoutStopSec` in your systemd cardano config file and make sure it’s set to something like 30sec or higher. This will give the process enough time to shutdown properly before being killed as the default time to stop is sub 1sec IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![Curtis\_Paul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.cardano.org/curtis_paul/32/23681_2.png) [@Curtis\_Paul](https://forum.cardano.org/u/Curtis_Paul)\ **Post date:** [19 September 2021 14:14 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/what-would-prevent-cardano-node-1-29-from-creating-its-node-socket-file-on-startup/74106/16 "2021-09-19T14:14:25Z")
> [@mcrio](#): > > TimeoutStopSec Good point and a safe thing to do ---
**Author:** ![Curtis\_Paul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.cardano.org/curtis_paul/32/23681_2.png) [@Curtis\_Paul](https://forum.cardano.org/u/Curtis_Paul)\ **Post date:** [19 September 2021 14:18 UTC](https://forum.cardano.org/t/what-would-prevent-cardano-node-1-29-from-creating-its-node-socket-file-on-startup/74106/17 "2021-09-19T14:18:46Z")
Was looking at it sounds like systemd DefaultTimeoutStopSec is 90 seconds by default. So is a minute and a half not long enough?