Hi @HeptaSean,
thanks again for digging into the mechanics! Your feedback is invaluable to sharpen our messaging.
Let me answer all your questions below:
1- “Thanks for the clarification! I was confused by the use of “staking”. So, “staking” is this case is just betting in your protocol (and as you said above that does not include locking the tokens).”
ANSWER: BullBookie uses the specific wording “Stake a Prediction” as the most accurate terminology. It is a “Stake” as it is a novel, on-chain mechanism where the Net Principal is always returned , unlike a traditional bet. On BullBookie, a “Prediction” is not a “Bet” since the Net Principal is protected and the transaction has no intrinsic risk dependent on the outcome of the event. Users participate in a time- and volume-indexed pool with a guaranteed return of net principal—unlike a bet, where you can lose your wager entirely. And yes, that is correct tokens, Net Principal tokens are not locked. If the participant decides to withdraw the Staked Prediction, the Net Principal is returned immediately, but the user forfeits any potential rewards.
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2- “This would be a fee of at least 5% (plus probably quite a bit more for operating the system).”
ANSWER: I can confirm the service fee on the participant’s own principal, or “Principal Fee” is a 5%.
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3- “So, this is mostly equivalent to a – non-risk-free – bet where each of the 1000 users bets 100 BBWIN each for a pot of 100 kBBWIN and the 100 winners receive 1000 BBWIN each, while the other 900 lose everything.
The only difference is that users of the “risk-free” system have to additionally have 2000 BBWIN that they put in and get out again unmodified. They still risk the fees which have to be considerable because they are the only source for the winnings as well as the operation.
Or, to put it another way, the requirement that you have to have the principal to put in – that fulfils no further role in the system – is the protection against risky gambling. For the toy example above, you have to have 20 times what you want to gamble with – for 100 BBWIN that you want to risk, you have to have 2000 BBWIN as no-risk principal, but if you are rich enough, you can still choose to risk as much as you want, 1000 BBWIN by putting in a principal of 20 kBBWIN, 1 million BBWIN by putting in 20 million BBWIN, ….”
ANSWER: We bring fundamental changes to the prediction markets, with a platform that is transparent, fun, rewarding and protects the user above all. BullBookie has the potential to become a disruptor providing a fair and safer environment that rewards the user. At BullBookie there is a service fee to sustain operations and reward the winners, but everyone pays the same fees, regardless of the outcome. The service fees are not at risk, they are the cost of using the platform and they are paid upfront, before staking a prediction.
In contrast, betting operators not only take the wager from the user if the user doesn’t win. In addition they use odds to increase the operator margins and cripple winners’ risk/reward potential. On top of that, they may charge service fees and exchange commissions, and almost certainly you pay a hidden sportsbook vig baked into the odd.
To put this in perspective with the previous example:
With BullBookie you stake a prediction 1000 BBWIN after paying 5% service fees:
- You win - You get 1500 to 4000 back depending on volume of participants, winners, time, and other variables (500 to 3000 profit)
- You don’t win - You get 1000 back (0 losses)
- You paid around 100 on service fees to use the platform
With a betting operator you bet 1000.
- You may have to pay a fee depending on operator
- You likely have to pay commission on exchanges (2%-5% on net winnings)
- You almost always pay a sportsbook vig (it’s baked into the odds to worsen your returns)
- If you bet for a favourite with 60%+ chances, if you win you get 1100 to 1800 back (100 to 800 profit)
- If you bet has 30% to 50% chances, if you win you get 1800 - 3300 back (800 to 2300 profit)
- If you bet for a clear underdog under 30% chances, if you win you get 4000 to 10000 (3000 to 9000 profit but very unlikely outcome… imagine Andorra winning the World Cup
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- If you don’t win, you make a full loss of your 1000 principal. You lose your wager entirely.
As you can see betting operators push a complex structure with fees, hidden charges and odds designed to maximize their profits.
We feel BullBookie proposes a fundamentally different model, transparent, fair and rewarding to participants. We respect all opinions and points of view of course.
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4- “The challenge was to provide a Principal Protection Guarantee, maintaining the service affordable to our users and profitable to BullBookie at the same time.
Q- I don’t see what feature of the protection guarantee ensures profitability for you, the operator.”
ANSWER: The Principal Protection Guarantee protects the user. The challenge was to design a unique and novel ecosystem that keeps this promise, at affordable service fees for participants, while ensuring BullBookie’s sustainability
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5- “What in this design is EUTxO-specific? You also claim that in the proposal itself. But I can’t see anything here that could not also be implemented on an account-based blockchain. That’s not a problem at all. A lot of viable service ideas do in principle work just as good on Ethereum as on Cardano. But if a technological claim that something uses unique features of Cardano is made, they should be substantiated.”
ANSWER: Cardano’s EUTXO allows us to resolve multi-outcome pools in one transaction, manage independent UTXOs per event, and guarantee transparent fee calculation on-chain. Our model sustainability is achieved by combining Cardano’s EUTXO model with BullBookie’s unique ecosystem design and tokenomics. As far as we know, BullBookie model design is novel and capable of delivering something that has never been done before.
Again, thank you for your questions and comments. This is exactly what we need to understand how to word our message and mission, and to learn more about our audience.
Any further questions or clarifications please let me know!
All the best
Santiago
Founder @BullBookie
Fund 14 Proposal