XXX The Voice of the Community on the Cardano Foundation Board XXX

Hope you are right and that we reach it as a stable community. In the meantime I dont see how asking to include more of the community instead of less is somewhat pushing my own or a small groups agenda. In fact that is what we are trying to avoid so the critisism is ironic. So far we have some who thinks Community should be more involved on CF board if there is a chance and some who dont. Thats ok as this is the community choice.

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My 2 cents worth: In light of what has become apparent. The Community needs to elect its representatives from the Community. If the Guardians were still functioning as a unit i would have said let the community put forward names to the Guardians and then let the Guardians send their proposals through to the Cardano Foundation Board.

I do like the split of continents into zones/regions i.e. Africa = 2 representatives-Southern Africa and Northern Africa. Even if their is only one representative on the CF board at any given time their should be an option to co-op the representative of a specific zone onto the board at crucial times when dealing with issue’s or sourcing information that could be of benefit to Cardano.

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We will because why we are here and being part of the community is to take part for the good in cardano protocol and the community we are the backbone to support the development in the long run after the three entities deliver decentralization, tresury,smart contract and other future in cardano protocol but before that we wait to layout the governance for cardano dev wait for that the election period is not starting.

I’m the kind of guy who will say to your face anything said otherwise. So, I’ll make you an offer you evidently can’t refuse. In fact, according to your statements, this will be the fastest easiest money you have ever not earned. You’d have to be crazy not to take it…or a fraud. Which one is it?

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Wow…how easy money to grab on…:sunglasses::sunglasses::sunglasses::sunglasses:

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Shall the Community elect its representatives from the Community or shall the Board appoint them from
the exGuardians for the Cardano Foundation Board?

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Sounds like group politics to me. I would prefer more individual approach. Why not both? I would prefer CF to both have someone voted in from the community AND maybe appointed someone else. Whether they are “exGuardians” or not is not of my concern, I would appreciate if they are good people.

Individual approach always wins. For example - I wouldn’t want them to appoint you. Whether you ever were a “guardian” or not.

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All expressed opinions are my own. My statements don’t represent “Emurgo opinion” (if there’s even such a thing at all) in any way. I’m a developer and the whole point of the badge is so that people don’t think I’m a scammer when I ask them to send me logs.

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Ruslan, having Emurgo stepping into this discussion that promotes a bottom-up movement is maybe not the best idea.

If you would have read the entire thread I have clearly written I have zero interest in being a representative on the Board and revoked my application so I may promote this movement. You could have also read what is my incentive to do so.

The only group politics here is that being exposed to some of the exGuardians motives & morals I do feel we have much stronger and better fit candidates in the wide Community.

Of course until an exGuardian is not appointed as a representative of the Community, but for his individual qualities you can always have both.

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There’s no Emurgo in this discussion, I always express only my own opinions and clearly say “I would prefer something” or “I would do something”. You are the first to mention it having to do anything with Emurgo. Again… individual approach is better. Stop seeing people as being a spoke-person for some group. I was a community member long before Emurgo. And (surprisingly) people might have their own opinions, outside of group interest.

I have read it, and I fully support your decision to revoke your candidacy. Way to go! Have full right to do so. And I agree that it will be good for everyone.

Doesn’t mean any other person can’t participate if they wish so :wink: Haven’t seen yet where does it say that you can revoke their candidacy for someone else.

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This topic is not about me.

And people keep coming into the thread and make it personal instead of focusing on the proposed bottom-up movement. This is really worrying.

When you have an Emurgo logo on your profile picture, you have a title as Emurgo Team and you are a key public figure of Emurgo then you do represent Emurgo in the Cardano social media channels and there is no such thing as individual opinion in such context.

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I am not revoking other candidacies of course :slight_smile:

What I am challenging is whether Community representatives should be picked by the Board or rather be elected by the Community itself.

This is a pretty reasonable topic I hope.

yah…just do your part for community…thanks dude.

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I think most people will agree that the topic of how the community will be represented and consulted in the Cardano Foundation is very reasonable @bercinho, it’s probably the way that it is presented that triggers people.

Forming the Guardians of Cardano to put pressure on those in power was a great way to break out of the stale mate that we were in. However, re-using this same group in an attempt to influence decision making after new board members were just appointed (which was exactly what the Guardians’ initiative initially requested) seems less appropriate. Particularly after the group itself just went through a power-struggle and you used the channels without consent of all prior members of the group.

IMO it’s probably best to just let emotions cool off a bit and wait for the new Cardano Foundation board to make its next move. If they don’t come up with a satisfying way to have the Cardano community represented one way or another a community initiative could still be formed. Just my two cents. :v:t2:

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you have a point on that and we are the guardians as community member the CF is doing there things for now and if same will result from before then we need to act.

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Thanks for your comment. You are right about most part.

But when you go to play soccer and the other team starts to plays rugby & UFC then asking me to stick to the rules of soccer is pretty unfair :slight_smile:

Things will calm down and we have a really wise Board so let’s trust them as you said.

I hope some see that there is a good intention behind this proposal by a Cardano “shareholder”.

Peace & Love

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This topic is about your opinions put out in public, and I respond to them with my opinions. You make it about yourself.

Nope. I am not a key public figure of Emurgo and never was. And I don’t represent Emurgo on social media. Emurgo has official channels for this, and official press/speak persons. I am a developer and this badge inly needed so that people trust me with their logs. If I ever want to put forward some Emurgo-related information - I would send a link to an official press-release.

I might be representing some “community trust”, but that would be only maybe because I was a top-rated user on this forum for 6 months, spending a lot of my free time helping people to answer questions and solve their technical problems. For your satisfaction I will put a disclaimer on each my comment if I ever dare to comment on your threads again.

“there is no such thing as individual opinion” is identity politics 101. And 90% of your immediate reply to me was about how I shouldn’t be able to express my opinions, instead of discussing the topic itself. Any other user with Emurgo badge is equally free to come here and express their own opinion.

And yet for some reason you keep emphasising that they should not be appointed specifically from a group of people defined by you as “exGuardians”. And I don’t understand why exactly you think that any person identified by you as “exGuardian” would be bad to be either elected by community or appointed by Foundation.

And all I did is expressed my opinion that Foundation is free to appoint anyone they think is suitable, as long as they are good people, and I think it would be cool if Foundation could listen to community voting for someone and would consider to also appoint them just because community voted for them. But I don’t think community voting for someone should in any way forcing Foundation to appoint this person to any position.

Anyways. That’s just my opinion after all. Was good talking to you.

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All expressed opinions are my own. My statements don’t represent “Emurgo opinion” (if there’s even such a thing at all) in any way. I’m a developer and the whole point of the badge is so that people don’t think I’m a scammer when I ask them to send me logs.

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I agree with you on this but I can understand where Bertalan is coming from here. Given how few Emurgo / IOHK / CF is it could be perceived currently pretty much anyone is not just an employee but representing said companies. We already had the maelstrom incident. http://hoskinsoncharles.blogspot.com/2018/03/maelstrom.html

In this context it would be wise to remember Bertalan did a major portion (I would argue 80%+) in organizing, planning and actioning for the community to stand up and get Parsons to resign. It is not like he have not contributed to the community. That he then says he do not want any of the guardians to have a board position in a board we pushed hard for a person to resign from makes sense to me. It just makes it very clear this was always intended to bring CF back in line with the community and not a power grab or nothing personal against the person who resigned either for that matter.

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Lol, is it about the nature of the proposal itself, or it became like whatever @bercinho proposed is bad.

I think community representatives (or the delegation representatives at the later stage) will be formed eventually. I guess it’s okay to use individual approach in opinions stage, but when it comes to decision stage, then sort of the representation or delegation have to be made.

Now even the new CF has to be watched, did the new CF answer any of the question that the community raised during the Parsons time? Were the ada address and financial statements disclosed yet? What’s up with regaining community trust? :sweat_smile::sweat_smile::sweat_smile:

There’s no effective way to pressure or push IOHK/Emurgo/CF right now, while Iohk and Emurgo are leading CF now, there’s no real CF anymore. Anyone with any suggestion can easily be ignored, and They can be selective with the things they want to hear.

This is just not good.

We need a good community representation to express community’s best interests. At least we need people who are able to challenge and tell them where might be wrong (even if they felt it’s right), jusy like the “tenth man rule” in the world war Z.

I don’t know what’s the plan and what’s the timeframe that CF going to do that (or maybe there’s no plan), so I guess the community has to do it by itself if you care enough.

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So much good commentary from 2018 and we still have an unelected board in September 2020.

When Voltaire is release which is hopefully shortly.
I propose a CIP be created to convert Cardano Foundation in to a Digital Autonomous Organisation (DAO), and if that is not practically possible in the short term I propose a CIP be created to elect a board in the interim.
Please see here : If a CIP was created that was then voted on by the community using Voltaire. Is Cardano Foundation board or whomever makes the decisions legally obliged to do what the vote said?

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