A.I. DRep Guaranteed To Support Charles' Vision Including Funding For IOG Projects

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Many of us in the Cardano community have supported this project throughout the years simply because we trust Charles. We trust his ability to make good decisions about what to build and how to build. And we trust that he is motivated by a love for all the people in the Cardano community.

So what I want is a DRep that I am certain will support Charles’ vision for Cardano and who will vote to fund his work. I could delegate to a DRep that will promise to do this but how do I know what they will do over time after I have stopped paying attention to each vote? And how can my DRep even know how Charles would vote on a given proposal when he doesn’t weigh in on each and every one of them?

In this video clip we see that Charles is relying on AI to help him make important decisions about the tokenonmics of the Midnight protocol. He mentions he is using a RAG system. That stands for Retrieval Augmented Generation. It’s a special database that an ai large language model can use to answer questions about information they were never trained on. This could be new information, niche information, or private information.

The video linked above is 3 hours and 30 minutes long. I am sure he talks about all kinds of things over the course of the video but if he says anything about how he wants the DReps to vote and explains why, then I want my DRep to know what he says and to vote accordingly.

I have built a simple RAG AI system that will look through all Charles’ videos, index all the things he says, and then answer questions about Cardano governance proposals in the same way Charles would answer even if Charles has never discussed that issue. I would like this ai to serve as my DRep because I know it will always cast it’s vote in the same way Charles would vote if given the same information on that same issue.

There are many problems to solve before my ai DRep will be ready to participate in governance, but things will fall into place soon enough. Below is an example of what has already been accomplished. I asked the ai to look through the very long video that I mentioned above and then tell me what Charles said about the upcoming budget vote.

Question:
"In the video with YouTube ID 9xf-RcWQLDI where Charles Hoskinson is speaking, what specifically is Charles asking the Cardano community to vote for on behalf of his company IOG when the community votes on the budget proposal? What points does Charles express in the video in order to convince the voters to grant his request?

:brain: Answer:
In the video featuring Charles Hoskinson (YouTube ID: 9xf-RcWQLDI), he addresses the Cardano community regarding the budget proposal and emphasizes the importance of supporting his company, Input Output Global (IOG), through their voting process. He articulates the need for ongoing funding and strategic direction to sustain development and enhance transparency in Cardano’s governance framework.

Key Points Charles Expresses:

  1. Track Record and Progress: Charles highlights the achievements of IOG and the development progress of Cardano. He mentions, “Overall, I’m pretty proud of the record that we have”, underpinning his argument with a sense of accountability and success in past initiatives.

  2. Community Concerns: He acknowledges community sentiments regarding governance, where he states that critiques about governance led to portrayals of IOG as “evil” or “malicious” . Charles vehemently defends IOG’s integrity, addressing concerns about reputation and fostering a more positive narrative.

  3. Importance of Financial Support: He articulates the necessity of fiscal conservatism, suggesting that the treasury holds enough funds to support substantial projects, acknowledging that “there’s plenty of money in the Treasury” and outlining that ongoing support is crucial for future development

  4. Vision for Future: Charles emphasizes the upcoming developments and initiatives that necessitate community backing, indicating that this investment is vital for leveraging the potential of Cardano for future opportunities and challenges.

Throughout the video, his overarching message is about fostering trust and collaboration between IOG and the Cardano community, reinforcing that a vote in favor of the budget proposal sets a precedent for future success and sustainable growth in the ecosystem.

The script took 0 hours, 14 minutes, and 23 seconds to run.
(vrag_env) ~/lgt/VideoRAG$

It seems to me, if Charles is using an AI RAG system to figure out a complex issue like best tokenomics for Midnight, then we should be able to use an AI RAG system to figure out how Charles would vote on governance proposals and then cast that vote.

This will help ensure good governance for the Cardano community well into the future.

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Interesting concept! I would use AI as my “consultant”, but I wouldn’t want it to vote or decide for me. Diversity and plurality of opinions are essential in governance, and I am afraid that if we all rely on AI agents to vote or decide for us, we would lose that diversity. Also, in this space, we need those counter-“Charles” DReps to maintain checks and balances (and I am a huge fan of Charles, but I would still want to hear the counterarguments).

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Greetings @kostas,
Thanks for your reply.

Using an AI model of Charles as a DRep does not in any way prevent counterarguments from being expressed.
Many will delegate to various AI agents with varying points of view, including those Charles would not agree with.
Many will delegate to individual humans.
Many will delegate to a party of humans or an organization.
Many will cast their own votes.
Many will abstain.

If some community members delegate their ADA to an AI model of Charles then I would call that mobilization around a shared ideology. I would call it consensus building. You could point at consensus and call it loss of diversity but these are not the same.

The only voice that has been suppressed is that of Charles himself.

Charles has always wanted to hand over governance of the Cardano protocol to the community. It was his intention all along. But I am not convinced that he wanted to walk away from governance altogether. He needed to walk away for his own protection. Charles was a target for blackmail, kidnapping, and murder as long as he was in control of the protocol. Worse, he was a government target during a time when the deep-state/central-banks were trying to destroy crypto. Many of Charles’ contemporaries were jailed or murdered by various governments because of the cryptocurrency products they were building or for the services they provided. Charles had to disassociate himself from Cardano governance in order to reduce incentive to target him personally. This was necessary, but it was a loss for the community when he left governance completely. A deep avatar of Charles can put his heart and mind back in governance without any risk to him personally. And if the deep avatar is created and implemented in a decentralized manner, then it can’t be shut down, which is not the case with Charles himself. This is a win for Charles and it’s a win for the Cardano community.

In any case, there is absolutely no way to stop AI agents from participating in decentralized permissionless government. So we need to get out ahead of this now and figure out how to secure and decentralize the RAG databases used to train the avatars and source their answers. And the specially trained Large Language Models need to be distributed over several computers (like a blockchain) so that they can not be manipulated or shut down.

AI is coming to governance. Deep avatar starts the conversation about an issue that our community will have to address.

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Hello @johnshearing,

Thanks for your reply!

Yes, I understand your logic, and I agree that AI is coming to governance, just as it is to most other aspects of our lives.

My perspective is that we, as individuals, should examine both sides of any argument. I almost always share the same ideology as Charles, but I always try to entertain opposing ideas. It’s like a thought experiment for me: “What if Charles is wrong here?” I want to be able to think things through thoroughly and decide if I am indeed aligned with Charles on a case-by-case basis. I acknowledge that this is the “hard way”, and I also realise that actual governance participation is currently at low levels, so AI models could indeed help increase participation. That being said, I would still prefer people to do the hard work each time rather than depend on AI models to vote for them. I’m not opposed to the idea - I just want to express some concerns (as I said, I always try to consider both sides of any argument).

For instance, we have some great DReps - people of great integrity, deeply involved, devoted, and knowledgeable about Cardano - who have amassed significant voting power. This is a centralisation risk; I have nothing against these people (in fact, I have immense respect for them!), but I still consider this concentration of power a high level of centralisation. In a similar fashion, having many “Charles AI DReps” voting could potentially create a similar centralisation risk.

That’s why, for me personally, using an AI as an advisor would be a much more preferable option. In any case, it will be interesting to see Deep Avatar in action.

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