Blockchain Patent War Coming

It takes a lot more than copying code to execute the vision of the original creator. I would suspect that part of the reason Hoskinson used Haskell was to ensure there was little competition in the way of Haskell-based crypto firms looking to out-market him on his magnum opus. He has pointed out that they’ve scoured the Earth for Haskell developers, including the creator of the language himself who is on staff with IOHK. So I say best of luck to the imitators in supporting and advancing this protocol beyond the level that IOHK can take it to. I wouldn’t lose sleep over that.

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I was thinking exactly that about Haskell choice as well. Not going to loose sleep. I am a veterinarian, new to this space and trying to get my head around the business model. I am an ADA holder because the project seems has a very innovative product and me coming from academia understand and appreciate why they are going down the peer review process.

It requires a different perception of the flow of value in our world to appreciate why Cardano has nothing to worry about from the parasites. From a traditional perspective, “value” has a fixed embodiment in a clearly defined product or service-oriented system. But in the cryptoeconomic world, “value” is a much more fluid concept.

In fact, a well-designed blockchain platform (like Cardano) actually creates, extracts, optimizes, and distributes value from many more points within any socioeconomic system. It transforms almost any human activity into a value-creation process with corresponding value-distribution rewards for everybody involved. Very few people truly understand these concepts AND know how to encode them into scientifically rigorous, provably secure software systems and applications that facilitate the creation and distribution of value within human societies.

Even though it’s obviously rooted in rigorous science, Cardano represents a form of creativity that is more art than science. Giving any of the “parasites” the Cardano source code would be like giving an average human the “The Creation of Adam” (Michelangelo’s painting on the Sistine Chapel’s ceiling) and expecting an average human to be able to recreate it. It’s just not possible for many reasons associated with the nature of the creative process, the fundamental mechanisms of how skill is developed and expressed in human activities, and the unique human relations skills that Charles brings to the table, in addition to the other dynamics described previously.

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Great response, thanks for your thoughtfulness.

I think this is simple. You beat them at theyre own game. Cardano should patent its technology. Ofcourse they can then write lisences that allow anyone to use it freely. With the resources they have available I think having a legal team is not that much of a stretch.

The reasons why individuals or organizations choose open source software are lower cost, security, no vendor 'lock in and better quality.

Most innovative companies no longer rely heavily on software sales, which means proprietary software has become less of a necessity. It is reported that almost all of enterprise-level companies use open source software offerings in some capacity.

Because of this shift, more critical systems are beginning to rely on open source offerings, allowing greater funding to help hunt for security bugs.

Proprietary source distributors have started to develop and contribute to the open source community due to the market share shift, doing so by the need to reinvent their models in order to remain competitive.

Many advocates argue that open source software is inherently safer because any person can view, edit, and change code. For example, a study of the Linux source code has 0.17 bugs per 1000 lines of code while proprietary software generally scores 20–30 bugs per 1000 lines.

I think Cardano should remain open source, although your idea has some merit to it.

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I agree open source is the way to go. They can patent the core of what they are doing and then structure the lisence so changes are allowed and owned by the public domain. Also the patents should be owned by the foundation and ruled by the voting mechanism of the treasury.

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This approach would make a lot of sense!

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I was thinking very similar to you. With the code being…

  1. Original.
  2. In Haskell unlike any other.
  3. Posted in GitHub with dates and traceability.

There is no way to sue successfully sue the Cardano for a patent infringement. Yes, some may try, but won’t succeed.

In addition for the though trail that parasites copy paste the source code.
I am a parasite, but every time someone puts value into my platform, it increases crypto value and by having any crypto you are connected to practically all other cryptocurrencies. This is also what Cardano wants.
This source code is an infinite positive loop for a better world.
Just like deep learning, it gets better the more we use it.

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as some wise person once said “they can steal your ideas, but they can’t steal your execution”

nothing stops copy/paste versions of Cardano anymore than any other open source crypto. thus 1000+ cryptos and counting!

This touches on what I think is a key point. Cardano appears to aim to function primarily at the protocol layer, not the application layer.

I think a strong argument can be made that after their protocols are well established, they want as much copy/paste adoption and innovation on top of that protocol layer as possible. This will only serve to further entrench the best practices protocols that Cardano is creating, example given Zencash and Cardano Treasury system (consciously refraining from laying it all at the feet of Charles, he’s quite anti-cult-of-personality after all).

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Maybe I’m missing something here.
Cryptocurrencies:

  1. are not recognized by governments as currencies.
  2. are generally only exchanged for national currencies on exchanges.
  3. wallets and other applications are free.
  4. are mostly operated and controlled by their user communities.

So, who are the parasites going to sue?
What are they going to sue for?
How are they going to force compliance?

I think this may be a big, scary non-issue.

Hi @tknowny, the reason this is not a trivial issue is because collusion between corrupt governments and a vicious worldwide banking lobby can realistically result in a major propaganda campaign designed to demonize and destroy cryptos in general and Cardano in particular. (Whether they succeed or not is a different question.) Such a campaign could easily be launched based on the following global PR attack:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Cardano and its anarchist ilk are wantonly violating patent laws and destroying our global banking system based on misguided notions of how economics and banking systems work. These dangerous and self-absorbed hooligans are not above the law and they must be held accountable for their reckless behavior, which is putting the wealth and integrity of our entire global economy in jeopardy. We, the banking community, are committed to working with government officials in Washington and other global banking centers to bring these anarcho-communists to justice. . . .

Supreme Courts Will Support the Status Quo. Then, based on that worldwide propaganda campaign, they would file their lawsuits. Technically speaking, they would probably win in many cases because most open source projects do infringe on numerous patents. But even if they didn’t win at first, they could potentially take their lawsuits all the way to the Supreme Court. For many reasons, many (probably nearly all) Supreme Court judges are out of touch with the reality of cryptos and the reality of our decrepit fiat-poisoned global economy. Thus, their perceptions and loyalties will almost certainly be sympathetic to the status quo, which means their verdicts will be highly biased toward preserving the status quo.

“If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.” – Thomas Jefferson Given that the banking industry has already amassed a large war chest of blockchain patents (and continues to file many more patents each year), it’s virtually inevitable that Cardano and many other blockchain projects will infringe on one or more of their patents. Thus, “the letter of the law” will be on their side (even though the laws are unjust and distorted by special interest groups). That means, supreme courts in every major country will feel compelled both legally and ideologically to render verdicts that favor the banking lobby and fiat-drunk governments.

We Should Not Underestimate the Threat. Once those Supreme Court verdicts are delivered, that will give governments and their law enforcement apparatus the legal justification to engage in harsh government crackdowns against the crypto community. When (not if) that happens, we must be prepared. We should not delude ourselves into believing things like, “Oh, everything will be fine. . . . don’t over-exaggerate the threats. . . .” because we’re talking about an existential threat to the most powerful special interest group on Earth: The banking lobby.

Physical Violence is a Real Possibility. As we all should understand by now, they are preparing for war. It is not yet a war with guns and tanks, but it will likely escalate to a level of physical violence because that’s simply the inevitable result when corporate interests hijack the policing power of governments to serve/preserve their own interests. (Anybody who doesn’t understand/believe this should read the classic historical book, Business as a System of Power.)

Revolutions Unfold Slowly Until They Reach a Tipping Point. I’m not saying any of this to scare people unnecessarily. I think Cardano is no less revolutionary than the 1776 American Revolution, but we are in the early days of that revolution, just like the U.S. Founding Fathers were during the 1760s. The early American colonists who could foresee the coming conflicts with their oppressors were the ones whose names we know today: Jefferson, Washington, Hamilton, Franklin, Madison, Adams. . . .

“Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish. . . .” –Thomas Jefferson Most people on Earth today do not see what we see. They’re focused on their daily lives, trying to make ends meet, hoping for the best and not really understanding why our world is falling apart. As a community, I believe it’s our duty to follow Sun Tzu’s wisdom and “know thy enemy” without falling prey to normalcy bias and other forms of fantasy thinking. The banking lobby is real and they are ruthless. They will not relinquish their power and ill-gotten wealth quietly or passively. They will fight; and they will fight viciously. Let’s be prepared.

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I agree with everything you say in this reply @ADALove, and I don’t mean to trivialize the issue. It’s just that, if the war to come is inevitable, why worry about the patent issue. If they want to find a way to demonize the crypto community, they will certainly do so. It seems our time would be better spent getting the public educated and involved in crypto rather than trying to defend against every dirty trick the bankers can pull on us.

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Anoop M Kurup, Founder, patentsforstartups.org

No.

One of the criteria to get a patent is that the invention should not be available publicly. That is the invention should not be available in any form, written, as a video, or as a product.

Existence of a product also means that someone else has invented it. So trying to apply for a patent on someone else’s invention means you are trying to credit for someone else’s work. It is illegal.

Source: https://www.quora.com/Can-someone-patent-a-product-which-is-already-in-use-but-isnt-patented

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Yes, but part of the education process is helping people understand what’s coming. The reason the U.S. political system is so broken today is because the majority of Americans are overwhelmed with so much corporate and government propaganda that it’s nearly impossible for them to distinguish between truth and fiction anymore.

So, when we go to mom, dad, neighbor, friend, and everybody in our communities and say, “Hey everybody, join us in the promised land–Cardano Land!” how will they know that the banking lobby propaganda is just propaganda? How will they know who to believe if we don’t educate and prepare them for what’s coming? It won’t be obvious to them for many reasons.

The “banking and political experts” will say that Cardano is reckless and dangerous–so who do you think the average person will believe? Every word of propaganda that the banking lobby spreads will create fear, uncertainty, doubt, and resistance to Cardano, which is what propaganda is designed to do. Every good PR firm and attorney will tell you to never let a false accusation fester in the public arena. To succeed, WE must become a massive PR Machine for Cardano and never allow negative propaganda to fester without confronting and neutralizing it with the truth.

What I’m sharing here is rooted in the same fundamental principles that enabled Edward Snowden to succeed in getting global public opinion on his side. He understood that the only way to overcome the extremely powerful propaganda machines was to preemptively take the message to the people and (with Glen Greenwald’s help) relentlessly confront and debunk the propaganda from governments and interest groups that wanted to destroy him.

Building the Cardano Platform and waging a successful defense against the propaganda machines are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they are both essential to our community’s long-term success. “Build it and they will come” does not work. We will need to win hearts and minds first; and to do that, we will need to win the propaganda war.

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You have amazing writing skills.

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Do we need to win the propaganda war or do we need to win the adoption/network effect war i.e. the DApp layer/ecosystem has to be legit. We need big companies like MSFT which blessed ETH and which is blessing NEO to start building stuff on top of it.

I don’t think banks will have any legitimacy as long as all the catastrophe’s that are coming down the road are pointed squarely at them today.

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@citizenkosmos Do not underestimate the power of evils. If it needs, they will kill x thousands or vanish the earth to keep their power.:slight_smile: