Addis Ababa Coin

We got the protocols, TCP/IP from the US but Tim Berners-Lee, a British Engineer/computer scientist invented the World Wide Web.

Very true though, can you imagine the medical developments which would’ve been made in the US if they really did healthcare? I should think it would be as advanced as their weapon technologies!

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Yes, Sir Tim Berners-Lee (CERN fellow), and so many more from many countries have given us the internet we all now use. England really have given so much to the world, including common law to USA.

UK has great health care. But miss the prize on the university education front, its costly. Perhaps USA will evolve into a leader in more fronts into the distant future.

What about our friends in Ethiopia, and their approaches to health care and education? Does our forum have members from Adisababa? Please add your thoughts if possible. Is education free? Accessable? University? and what about health care?!

I have strong libertarian sympathies but also with a mix of strong sympathies for socialism and distributism to some degree too. I basically take what I want from the different viewpoints and discard what I don’t view as right or sensible. So, I’m not necessarily against tuition free *public university education and public trade schools for all American citizens IF city or state or federal governments can actually fund it via actually paying for it. Not just funding it through debt or money printing. To what degree a tax burden–if a tax increase was implemented–would be reasonable and tolerable is another issue.

The United States was the first country in the world to implement wide scale free public education grades 1 through 12.

But times have changed and establishment Republicans and Democrats have ambitions to be a combination of the British Empire (military expansion, bases, wars all over Earth) and Brazil (vast gaps between rich and poor).

You know… for novelist it is recommended they write fictional stories about things and places they know. Do not write about things and places you know nothing about (experienced writers would say). So, I know about a few places in the USA having been to a few states. But but by far what I know most about is Milwaukee. And Milwaukee is in Wisconsin. It makes up a dot, a small cut out of the larger whole of the State of Wisconsin.

Out of the many cities in Wisconsin most your gun violence will take place in the City of Racine and the City of Milwaukee. Madison may have a little. And occasionally the other parts of Wisconsin will have it. I say this to say that most of Wisconsin is safer than London, England.

Around the Corner with John McGivern | Program | Sturgeon Bay (#405)

Around the Corner with John McGivern | Program | Door County’s Quiet Side (#811)

Lake Geneva - Along the Beaten Path

Lake Geneva, Wisconsin is where rich Chicagoan’s have 2nd or 3rd home mansions. As rich New Yorkers have the Hamptons so rich Chicagoans have Lake Geneva.

If you’re from inner-city Milwaukee are–I would guess–about 99% chance any of the 3 places above. I say that because some people in inner-city Milwaukee rarely enter other neighborhoods in Milwaukee, like Bay View or the Third Ward. Similarly, the chances of people from those 3 locations above ever stepping foot in inner-city Milwaukee is slim to none.

So, “your Milwaukee” or “your Wisconsin” or “your America” becomes as a US citizens the limitations of what you experience of it. Some Americans–evidenced online–only ever experience “life in the United States” as some pleasant, long stroll, of saftey, neighborly people, and flowers blooming. And they would swear to God that the United States has almost no violence.

I can’t communicate every single person’s experience in Milwaukee in online posts. Only a novelist can more adequately do that through a book. They would have to take the reader into the life of a character.

Some experience Milwaukee as hell. Some as purgatory. Some experience Milwaukee as heaven on Earth. For me it has never been heaven–but not quite hell either (though verging on that at times). But I can not discount the legitimate experience of heaven in Milwaukee (or the USA) for those who experience it that way.

You live in the Third Ward neighborhood of Milwaukee then odds are you live pretty good, damn close to heaven and life is “fair” and “most people are just.”

Around the Corner with John McGivern | Program | Third Ward (#110)

50 second video: Milwaukee Neighborhoods: Historic Third Ward

(By the way… I receive free health care through the Milwaukee and Wisconsin Veterans Administration hospital system. But the VA does not have a Trauma 1 hospital, only 2 in the state of Wisconsin exist and 1 is in the Milwaukee region. So, paramedics took me to the Trauma 1 level hospital, consequently I have over a quarter of a million debt to the hospital–which I simply can’t pay.)


Very interesting points again. The -ism debate (socialism, libertarianism…etc) will only ever be had by those who have the privilege in life to afford to debate it. If you’re born into poverty, and discover no means of escape as you grow up, then -ism debating is for others. I remember seeing the Orange President talking about getting very little support from others when starting out in life, except for a small loan of $1 million from his dad just to get started. If we all had such a small loan in life, then many social problems would simply not exist.

Great to hear USA has free yr 1-12 education available for all. I am sure this has benefited individuals and also the broader society. Free medical funded through open decision making frameworks (and yes, taxing those with very high wages, and very high company incomes) would be great too (look out… -ism debate incoming. Best to look at the sources of money that built 19th and 20th century America before responding - ed.). Current USA leadership mindset is more likely to fund disaster prepers, and media that fuels fearful attitudes, and distorts truth, before they fund health care for all it would seem.

Is there much in the way of people being born in places like ‘Skid Row’ LA, and choosing to upshift and live in communities like Third Ward Milwaukee? Does meritocratic libertariansim do this on a regular basis?

I feel for your situation of having a medical bill you can’t pay.Thanks for sharing your experience. Here in Australia that is unlikely to happen in our public hospital system, which is suitably funded for the most part, but could always use even more funding (and more open decision making), especially in areas away from our few big cities.

Any ideas how we may get Ethiopians to become involved in this Adisababa coin thread? I am interested to hear their perspectives?

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That’s a good question. I haven’t seen many people at all on this forum from Africa. I was speaking to Knysna from South Africa recently, so hopefully we’ll start seeing more soon. I’ve got a feeling that once it starts, it’ll see exponential growth, there’s a great appetite for technology in Africa. I’d like to see Cardano head to Nigeria, the so called Silicon Valley of the continent, with its very large young population.

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My understanding is that by creating a stable coin on the Cardano platform, we as investors get the advantage of increased market cap (because the government will have to pay to give the stable coin value) without the volatility (because it’s not Ada that’s actually used as a daily currency). This is the best of both worlds!! Again, I’m not a tech person, I’m only making an assumption that this is how it will work (someone please correct me and explain if I am wrong). Additionally, success in this venture could slowly lead to adoption (as they’ve planned it) in all of Africa). Looking at the future, Charles and company are creating relationships in China, India, etc. meaning this is a quick(ish) method of pushing long term adoption. While all the other tokens are trying to fit into the current infrastructure, Cardano is basically making itself indispensable for the future.


I was assuming that the stable coin that is being created would run on a proprietary network. However there would be interoperability with the Cardano mainnet which would easily allow on-boarding of the population into the global Cardano ecosystem.

Thank you for responding, I’m still trying to learn how all this would work. I thought that the same way Ethereum has erc20 tokens running on its network, all future stable coins released by Cardano would work on the Cardano ecosystem. Is there a reason why they wouldn’t do that from the outset?

I think it depends on the situation. Some “customers” who may be large corporations or state level entities probably want to run their own dedicated networks for supply chain management etc. This is why IOHK has come out with Atala their enterprise blockchain solution provider. However on some level these entities are probably going to want these systems to talk to the outside world and that’s when they tie into Cardano.

For instance with Addis Ababa the system they create will give people identity and credit history as well as the ability to pay bills. Once they have this established these citizens through interoperability will be able to use any Dapps that may be created on Cardano global which may include micro loans, payments for goods and services, etc. Imagine all the financial services we use in the western world that we take for granted like banking, credit cards, etc. These same services will be accessible as Dapps to people with access to the Cardano mainnet. At least that is the dream.


Ohhhhh! Thank you so much for the explanation! I’m always going on at length with friends and family about Cardano, it’s nice to finally understand how it’s really going to work. Very much appreciated :clap:t4::clap:t4::clap:t4:


Good thing about Ethiopia is that its economy is growing fast , still it is ranked among the poorest countries in the world , therefore terminology like credit, micro loans , bank cards is science fiction for most of its population. In the other words if block-chain does not find its place in western world , it is less likely that it will work in obscure places like Ethiopia.

I think the population there is more sophisticated than you think. The biggest obstacle to providing those services is the cost to do so. Block Chain removes those costs. The best example is the wide use of cell phones all over Africa. They completely bypassed traditional land line phone infrastructure hopefully they will completely skip the need to have Mastercard, Visa and Bank of America as well.

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I tend to disagree with your comment. It is more likely that you could engage people,countries in block chain than someone,place which is already using the current financial infrastructure. In fact this is the thought process behind the Africa project and other emerging countries.

Haha, :rofl:

That is like saying “if you can’t sell ice cubes to Eskimos, nobody will buy them in the tropics either”

If Cardano aims to be the financial operating system, then do you really see a reason why the western world would throw away it’s century old “mostly working” financial system and adopt Cardano - just because it’s cool?

Nothing to do with ice and Eskimos. If something is fast, scalable and practical it will be already implemented in financial systems. Lets first sort out bugs before rushing into practical usage.

Speed, scalability, and practicality comes with product maturity. That requires using it in the real world. If no one is using a product, no one would discover its strengths or its deficiencies. So it’s almost a circular dependency. Smaller markets are always the best development opportunities for new products, because there is an appetite for risk in return for the exponential benefits realized from the innovation.

In well developed economies the appetite for risk is very low and the incremental benefits from the change are not perceived to offset the risks; that is natural. Besides, there aren’t as many fundamental problems to solve using blockchain in developed nations, except for data security. The well developed economies will not budge unless they see themselves severely outdated compared to the emerging and innovative ones. I don’t think we are going to see that in the next decade or so.

Dapps are a different story. If they work, they will create the first route of adoption in the developed world - not as a financial operating system though.

Bitbox, I’m not a libertarian, not fully. I have libertarian sympathies. I’m not persuaded the libertarians are right on everything or have the one holy bible so to speak. But I have become persuaded that they have a lot of useful inputs. Some aspects of socialism and distributism impact my thinking too. Keynesian economics as well.

And I’m aware that the US Federal Government funded a lot of infrastructural development within the USA in both the 19th and 20th centuries. In the 19th century Republicans supported a lot of things they would today decry as socialism. The City of Milwaukee has a string socialist past by the way. I won’t go into that but you can google it if you wish. We elected more than one socialist mayors and our socialist originally gained power by campaign on a morally conservative platform of “cleaning up the city” from vice and corruption.

Late 1800s and early 1900s Milwaukee (like many if not most Northern cities and Western towns) was the most libertarian this country has ever been. Cocaine sold freely, brothels openly operating, gambling dens, and even Chinese run opium dens (the latter the police were less tolerant of). This was confined to an area of the city known as the “badlands” in the late 1800s. Roughly around today’s Water Street in Milwaukee. It was essentially the red light district of the city.

I don’t begrudge Donald Trump and in fact I would say his story and that of the Eritreans in Milwaukee reflect a certain libertarian value far more than you realize. Look I was reared a militant religious Democrat of the Holy Democratic Party and I was reared ethnically Black-American. I’m well familiarized in the crusader’s story of the wicked Republicans and conservatives who stand in the way of paradise on Earth. Of the song of perpetual revolution and destroying all that came before you. The hymn of blame the rich and seek salvation in the government.

Possibly no ethnic group in the USA suckles from the nipple of government as ethnic Black-Americans. An ethnic group–and it would surprise many–that prior to the 1960s had some of the best behaved children in the USA, with something like 80% of black children born to married black couples.

The problem with the 1960s and '70s was–in my opinion–a more gray area of change than the 100% black or 100% white portrayal of change conservatives and liberals like to make it out to be. And WWII era Black-Americans always felt this way about the aftermath of that 1960s social revolution change. Baby Boomers NEVER have. Yet… a growing enraged Gen X and Millennial Black-Americans are more and more critiquing the Baby Boomer’s as betrayers and failures in certain respects. Those on the more socially conservative end (e.g. Hoteps, Nation of Islam, Pan-Africanist, and secular “blacks are superior” type crowds) claim the resolution is in less government dependence, rejecting whites and the world at large, and having a social and economic system restricted to black people. And those more socially liberal (e.g. followers of Yvette Carnell, and some of the Protestant Black Churches) claim the resolution is in even MORE government dependence–to the point of reparations being paid to ethnic Black-Americans rebranded as ADOS (American Descendants of Slaves). This latter group is quite hostile to black African immigrants and Latin American immigrants.

Atcalypso made reference to “Western values.” You know… TV sitcoms are a hell of a drug at times. I’ve watched enough in the USA to know they don’t accurately portray the typical impoverished Black-American. One might love this submergence into fairytale land until after decades of failing to address reality leaders like Donald Trump and Yvette Carnell emerge. Then people want to complain about people following Trump or Yvette Carnell. But why do I say this? Because the Eritreans (basically they are as much Ethiopians and Pakistani are Indians) in Milwaukee are more like white Europeans Italians and Anglican Englishmen that value education and conflict resolution through dialogue than the ethnic Black-Americans are. The Eritreans in Milwaukee are mostly Catholics. Eastern Rite Catholics (as opposed to Latin Rite which I was raised, better known as “Roman Catholicism”). The Ethiopians are generally Orthodox Christians (or Muslim). But Eastern Rite, or Gee’z Rite in this case, is liturgically Ethiopian Orthodox, except they accept the authority of the Bishop of Rome (the Pope) and the dogmas of the Catholic faith. The Ethiopians defeated the Italians (twice I believe) in war in the Italians attempt to colonize Ethiopia. I think–could be wrong–the Eritreans supported the Italians. Might be why the Eritreans are in communion with the Bishop of Rome.

Okay… so the Eritreans in Milwaukee are Gee’z Rite Catholics but had no churches to go to so the Bishop or Pope gave them special dispensation to belong to 2 Rites simultaneously. The Gee’ze Rite and the Latin Rite. As a word of note on this Catholics can not–to my understanding at least–change Rites. So, the Eritreans in Milwaukee have something of unique situation going on.

My experience with Ethiopians would be through the Eritreans in Milwaukee. And the Eritreans have more in common with me religiously than the Black Church (Protestants) Black-Americans do. The gap is quite large to the point I understand Muslims better sometimes than I do Christians of the Black Church. The Anglicans and Episcopalians have far less of a gap with Latin Rite Catholics and Eritreans.

Let me give an analogy here. It is ancient Rome. The Eritreans are the Egyptians and the ethnic Black-Americans are the barbarian Germanic tribes. Exactly what the f*ck is the “West” in this situation?

The Eritreans (Ethiopians) in Milwaukee are like white Jews and Hindu Indians in their families and kids do very well in the USA. Ethnic Black-Americans are like those hillbilly whites of Appalachia praising Jesus, stomping feet, dancing in church, but disregard education and are quick to resort to both physical assault and murder as a problem solving tool.

Okay, Northern Black-Americans over generations are not hillbillies and have far too much swag and speak slick and can dress well. But dammit if their family lines have not passed down the violence of the slave plantations of the South. You couple that with the familial and community break downs that occurred after the 1960s in Black-America. The result is a violence and disposition that has West African immigrants to the USA referring to ethnic Black-Americans as “Akatas.” The term “Akata” means “wild animals.” It’s is a term of contempt. Black Africans by and large in the USA DO NOT like ethnic Black-Americans. To them we are like people from Mars, to them and to the Eritreans we are like the barbarian Germanic tribes terrorizing civilized Rome.

The libertarian values time and values passing on wealth and/or capital to his or her children. The ethnic Black-American Democrat could give a damn about that. But the Eritrean like the Jew and like Donald Trump’s father does/did give a damn about that.

(I agree with you about universal health care, it was kind of my point about me not being able to pay the crazy amount of hospital bills, I was indicating an ironic problem because it falls on the tax payer anyways. Milwaukee Journal once did a huge story on the cost of gun violence in Milwaukee. None of the poor Black-Americans shot in the city pay for the hospital visits, surgeries, or stays–all the debt falls on tax payers.)

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Just to give a visual of how some live in the Third Ward in contrast to the human disaster in LA called “Skid Row” or homeless life in San Fransisco.

One thing is the average to high IQ people living in the Third Ward don’t feel they have to go live in their car in LA to “become somebody.”

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Joe Rogan | San Francisco’s Homelessness Crisis (~ 3 minutes)

Faces of Skid-Row (~ 2 minutes)

SKID-ROW Rumble 2 on 2 (~ 3 minutes)

On American sitcoms Black-American teenage girls don’t fist fight (although in reality they fist fight MORE than Black-American teenage boys) and neither do Black-American women (although in reality they assault black men at nearly the same rate as black men assault them). All the black poor dress like middle-class Black-Americans and none of the black poor have roaches and rats in their homes (although in reality plenty of them do).

That’s the black poor on sitcoms. But the rich elites that are Black-American Democrats as well as do-gooder white liberals prefer to show a 1% or maybe 5% of Black-Americans done really well financially, and present those outliers as representative of 95% of the Black-American population. The fantasies, fictions, and lies is why we have Donald Trump and Yvette Carnell.

This is the image of ethnic Black-America that the elitist “f*ck everybody that hasn’t made it” Democrats like to present nationally and globally of “most” Black-Americans. They do exist but as a small percentage of the populatuion. Like lottery winners are small percentage of the population. But that’s why we have Donald Trump.


But most ethnic Black-Americans be they in Detroit, Milwaukee, Chicago, LA, or Baltimore act more like this… particularly if they are Generation X and younger:




Some considered writing and you have again raised some interesting perspectives. The hegemonic discourse of sitcoms vs the reality/struggle of putting meals on the table with a roof over your head. Boyz in the Hood was my introduction to post-modern Compton, LA. It’s the plurality of life that makes it interesting. I guess there is a great deal of heart-ache still there, and your Eritrean friends have had a different experience in coming to USA, and live a different culture.

Addis Ababa is the focus of this thread, and the coin to be launched on Atala. We guinea pigs munch the grass of Cardano roadmap news, and wait patiently for the future to arrive someday. I want to know if we can reach out to the Ethiopians, and get some in this thread, and hear their views on the computational petrol called ADA.

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