Bitbox, I’m not a libertarian, not fully. I have libertarian sympathies. I’m not persuaded the libertarians are right on everything or have the one holy bible so to speak. But I have become persuaded that they have a lot of useful inputs. Some aspects of socialism and distributism impact my thinking too. Keynesian economics as well.
And I’m aware that the US Federal Government funded a lot of infrastructural development within the USA in both the 19th and 20th centuries. In the 19th century Republicans supported a lot of things they would today decry as socialism. The City of Milwaukee has a string socialist past by the way. I won’t go into that but you can google it if you wish. We elected more than one socialist mayors and our socialist originally gained power by campaign on a morally conservative platform of “cleaning up the city” from vice and corruption.
Late 1800s and early 1900s Milwaukee (like many if not most Northern cities and Western towns) was the most libertarian this country has ever been. Cocaine sold freely, brothels openly operating, gambling dens, and even Chinese run opium dens (the latter the police were less tolerant of). This was confined to an area of the city known as the “badlands” in the late 1800s. Roughly around today’s Water Street in Milwaukee. It was essentially the red light district of the city.
I don’t begrudge Donald Trump and in fact I would say his story and that of the Eritreans in Milwaukee reflect a certain libertarian value far more than you realize. Look I was reared a militant religious Democrat of the Holy Democratic Party and I was reared ethnically Black-American. I’m well familiarized in the crusader’s story of the wicked Republicans and conservatives who stand in the way of paradise on Earth. Of the song of perpetual revolution and destroying all that came before you. The hymn of blame the rich and seek salvation in the government.
Possibly no ethnic group in the USA suckles from the nipple of government as ethnic Black-Americans. An ethnic group–and it would surprise many–that prior to the 1960s had some of the best behaved children in the USA, with something like 80% of black children born to married black couples.
The problem with the 1960s and '70s was–in my opinion–a more gray area of change than the 100% black or 100% white portrayal of change conservatives and liberals like to make it out to be. And WWII era Black-Americans always felt this way about the aftermath of that 1960s social revolution change. Baby Boomers NEVER have. Yet… a growing enraged Gen X and Millennial Black-Americans are more and more critiquing the Baby Boomer’s as betrayers and failures in certain respects. Those on the more socially conservative end (e.g. Hoteps, Nation of Islam, Pan-Africanist, and secular “blacks are superior” type crowds) claim the resolution is in less government dependence, rejecting whites and the world at large, and having a social and economic system restricted to black people. And those more socially liberal (e.g. followers of Yvette Carnell, and some of the Protestant Black Churches) claim the resolution is in even MORE government dependence–to the point of reparations being paid to ethnic Black-Americans rebranded as ADOS (American Descendants of Slaves). This latter group is quite hostile to black African immigrants and Latin American immigrants.
Atcalypso made reference to “Western values.” You know… TV sitcoms are a hell of a drug at times. I’ve watched enough in the USA to know they don’t accurately portray the typical impoverished Black-American. One might love this submergence into fairytale land until after decades of failing to address reality leaders like Donald Trump and Yvette Carnell emerge. Then people want to complain about people following Trump or Yvette Carnell. But why do I say this? Because the Eritreans (basically they are as much Ethiopians and Pakistani are Indians) in Milwaukee are more like white Europeans Italians and Anglican Englishmen that value education and conflict resolution through dialogue than the ethnic Black-Americans are. The Eritreans in Milwaukee are mostly Catholics. Eastern Rite Catholics (as opposed to Latin Rite which I was raised, better known as “Roman Catholicism”). The Ethiopians are generally Orthodox Christians (or Muslim). But Eastern Rite, or Gee’z Rite in this case, is liturgically Ethiopian Orthodox, except they accept the authority of the Bishop of Rome (the Pope) and the dogmas of the Catholic faith. The Ethiopians defeated the Italians (twice I believe) in war in the Italians attempt to colonize Ethiopia. I think–could be wrong–the Eritreans supported the Italians. Might be why the Eritreans are in communion with the Bishop of Rome.
Okay… so the Eritreans in Milwaukee are Gee’z Rite Catholics but had no churches to go to so the Bishop or Pope gave them special dispensation to belong to 2 Rites simultaneously. The Gee’ze Rite and the Latin Rite. As a word of note on this Catholics can not–to my understanding at least–change Rites. So, the Eritreans in Milwaukee have something of unique situation going on.
My experience with Ethiopians would be through the Eritreans in Milwaukee. And the Eritreans have more in common with me religiously than the Black Church (Protestants) Black-Americans do. The gap is quite large to the point I understand Muslims better sometimes than I do Christians of the Black Church. The Anglicans and Episcopalians have far less of a gap with Latin Rite Catholics and Eritreans.
Let me give an analogy here. It is ancient Rome. The Eritreans are the Egyptians and the ethnic Black-Americans are the barbarian Germanic tribes. Exactly what the f*ck is the “West” in this situation?
The Eritreans (Ethiopians) in Milwaukee are like white Jews and Hindu Indians in their families and kids do very well in the USA. Ethnic Black-Americans are like those hillbilly whites of Appalachia praising Jesus, stomping feet, dancing in church, but disregard education and are quick to resort to both physical assault and murder as a problem solving tool.
Okay, Northern Black-Americans over generations are not hillbillies and have far too much swag and speak slick and can dress well. But dammit if their family lines have not passed down the violence of the slave plantations of the South. You couple that with the familial and community break downs that occurred after the 1960s in Black-America. The result is a violence and disposition that has West African immigrants to the USA referring to ethnic Black-Americans as “Akatas.” The term “Akata” means “wild animals.” It’s is a term of contempt. Black Africans by and large in the USA DO NOT like ethnic Black-Americans. To them we are like people from Mars, to them and to the Eritreans we are like the barbarian Germanic tribes terrorizing civilized Rome.
The libertarian values time and values passing on wealth and/or capital to his or her children. The ethnic Black-American Democrat could give a damn about that. But the Eritrean like the Jew and like Donald Trump’s father does/did give a damn about that.
(I agree with you about universal health care, it was kind of my point about me not being able to pay the crazy amount of hospital bills, I was indicating an ironic problem because it falls on the tax payer anyways. Milwaukee Journal once did a huge story on the cost of gun violence in Milwaukee. None of the poor Black-Americans shot in the city pay for the hospital visits, surgeries, or stays–all the debt falls on tax payers.)