Centralization in Cardano community power?

Yes Rick,
but FYI, learning and using are two totally different concepts.

Just go talk with any U/X desinger. :grimacing:

Maybe I am alone at this, but the moment I read this post, I realized it was intended as satire. It made me laugh, honestly… I didn’t take it seriously.

I think we could all use some humor in this forum. The MEMES thread does a good job but it’s the only place…

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You are not alone…:wink::wink::wink:

I know it’s tough to be a see-through person.

But let’s just play our own roles. :grinning::grinning::grinning:

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Let’s not belittle & understate what happened. It’s not funny at all.

There was a good reason the first reaction of Rob was to resign from his Ambassador role.

Action: we need new user verification mechanism for the Forum

Consequences: Will @RobJF and @werkof leave the Ambassador role?

Lessons Learned: ?

At least we have an Action now, but let’s keep the other two points open.

I would also propose to somehow promote the decentralization of the Community Management Team and break down hierarchy as another action.

Was no. 3 in our list.
https://forum.cardano.org/t/summary-of-claims-to-the-cardano-foundation-from-the-cardano-watchdogs/

But no feedback on our comments on the Ambassador Program since 3 weeks.

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I think Rob will. But for Markus, this smells more like a need for vengeance than constructivism @bercinho. Just my 2 cents.

IMO Markus acted as objectively as possible as @maki.mukai also stated. Still human right?

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I know your heart is in the right place, and you’re not wrong, but your inability to let stuff go IS part of the problem.

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Well very obviously he didn´t.

When you made our other “argument” thread private in the past that was as objective & reasonable as possible and oh God was that discussion much worse then this one from toxicity perspective.

You gave time and let the Community vote on it and then after a successful vote made it private in a way having everyone who were included having access to the thread, all information and being able to discuss in private to avoid public damage.

In Markus case when his buddy @RobJF got busted and he got informed he made the post immediately and arbitrarily private excluding the ones being attacked or even informing them. Would I have not proactively saved the thread, we wouldn´t have this discussion today, it would have been all denied.

But you can also share with us the Forum logs regarding who saw that thread before it was made private? Can we please publicy share the views on it?

This immediate & hasty action by Markus was not a coincidence and tells a lot about his engagement & involvement. It was about removing traces. We are also very much aware of his personal motives from past actions.

Anyway this is not for me to decide, but don´t call his action was done as objectively as possible please.

@Zenman , the reason I am not letting this go so easily, because we had already once a break when the Guardians split under similar wrongdoings and nasty things from that side. Then we started Watchdogs and started to focus on our group try to do good things for the Community (see summary from @Eystein_Hansen above), when we suddenly many weeks after we have busted an exGuardian(s) trying to recruit a Watchdogs haters & bully group here in the Forum from the Community. I am sorry we let it go once, this time let people take some responsibility & accuntability for their actions.

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We can add a community rule that we prefer users to make personal accounts but in the world of crypto, thats a little harder to enforce. People do prefer to remain relatively anonymous and that should be allowed.

Group accounts are also hard to disallow since we have a few stake pool accounts that have been following the rules of our Forum and being useful community members, while operating under a ‘group name’.

We can also review IP addresses but there are cases where multiple accounts are made under the same IP and wasn’t done so in a malicious way.

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Maki I really appreciate your thinking. But I am afraid as you said in the crypto world this is impossible to manage. You will have fake users, from fake Facebook accounts coming in via VPN from all kinds of locations. You can´t prevent anyone trolling here if he feels like doing so.

This is why I tell you, you have to guide & “regulate” the Community by example.

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I’ve been digging for a couple of minutes, but there does not seem to be an option for that. Maybe @Bullish knows a way to do so. But IMO that is a very grey area, regarding privacy rules.

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Andy, if any Admin shares logs which fall under my reasonable expectation of privacy - just because someone demanded the logs, I will delete my account on here due to lack of trust.

If anyone shares Admin level information to the public, they should lose their Admin rights. Period. Not negotiable.

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You do have these interactions logged (it´s counting the Views per Thread so it has to persist this information), possbily here as well. https://meta.discourse.org/t/where-are-all-the-discourse-logs/58022

Whoever is operating the infrastructure for the Cardano Forum may easily provide the logs on this particular Thread with datetime of users viewing it.

But of course it´s not on the Blockchain :))

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Did you look at the Thread by any chance? :slight_smile:

I don´t see why information that a User has viewed a topic and when should be considered a privacy issue.

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I agree Rick, thats why i said it’s a very grey area.

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Yes of course I looked at the thread, I am on the forum plenty and I look at all the threads. I just avoid talking to you on the forum any more because you just seem rather odd to me.

The users on here must to be able to trust the Admins.

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I am not sure what view logs really proves in this case.

I can say however that what @werkof did was not wrong.
The post was flagged as being inappropriate. And as a Forum moderator, he was notified. He made a judgment call and agreed that it was not productive for the Cardano community and resolved the issue by deleting, as he would have with any other flagged post.

Being a moderator is very tricky as things aren’t as black and white as we hope. Posts often fall in the grey area, but when this happens, we do review as we have now. And agree with his actions to delete the post.

But if there are ever issues in moderations with your post, please do reach out to the community team. :slight_smile: we are more than happy to look into it and help answer questions or clarify community rules.

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lol, users must trust admins here.

ummmm…sounds familiar.

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Yep, you and I can agree on that Mihori.

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so there wasn’t any discussion, just flagged and deleted??

looks like both actions happened in the same hour.

then I kinda know how things running here now :stuck_out_tongue:

thanks Maki for the detailed info and explanation.

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Maki, is there a feature to “Block Users” so that when one person does not want to see any posts or comments from another person they can just turn them off?

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