It’s not a conversation if it’s one sided, I’m presenting a counter point. I’m up for a resolution and as I’ve stated before let’s put it up for a vote 
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I suggest a minor amendment to the name of the program to Cardano “Community” Ambassadors.
The entire context of this amended title is that it is not officially associated with Cardano, but it’s related enough to suggest a level of content, effort and behavior that is considered respected. This should suit the Webster definition of ambassador better framed in the context of the community.
It should be socially natural to assume these are passionate people, with special interest in Cardano for whatever content or effort they produce, but do not officially represent the brand.
It should be socially natural to assume the content and effort of these people is not authoritative and can be corrected or distance from official IOHK, CF or Emurgo employees without social contest.
It should be socially natural to assume, as with nearly all existing social networks and communities, that full legal names are voluntary and not necessary for the purposes of recognizing contributors of higher level content or efforts within the Cardano community.
It should be voluntary that each member of the Cardano community that produces content or effort related to Cardano that they disclose they are not official “Cardano” representatives, unless of course they are.
It could be voluntary that each member of the Cardano community ambassadors, let alone any other member, act in the best interest of the Cardano project, in all respects and all social accounts connected with their legal or anonymous names.
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Cardano Community Ambassador feels like they represent the Community… doesn’t feel right as there is no representation Use Case for this role.
Why don’t peope like Cardano Community Champion? To me personally this sound even more appealing and your don’t exhaust the Cardano Ambassador phrase, which representation role is seriously needed and should be introduced in the future.
But you show a really good conduct, which should be seen as an example to follow.
Trying to be constructive, unbiased and resolve the conflict with a good proposal.
Really appreciate & respect what you are doing @rjmcoin! Thank you!
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Here’s a poll to see if people think this whole thing is worth perusing.
- We change the title and expectations of the Ambassador role.
- We leave the title and expectations of the Ambassador role as is.
0 voters
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Mate, what does such a vote tell us?
You are proposing a vote that impacts the entire Community, but to be conducted with a very small segment of the Community.
Even to understand the depth of this question people should read through two threads otherwise they miss the entire debate. And to have superficial voters we don’t want. Just look into the Cardano Official TG to see how this case is misunderstood and handled on a superficial level.
I don’t know what to conclude from such a vote result?
But don’t worry, point has been made, we can’t do much more. Illiberal Democracy.
Actually the question you should have put like:
“Do you agree of having unelected & anonymous representatives of Cardano from the Community?”
If yes -> Cardano Ambassador title is perfect
If no -> Cardano Community Champion is better
But to cut it short I won’t put more effort into this. If the peope in charge doesn’t care then it’s a lost case.
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I feel that’s what this is about, community content and efforts.
An actual Cardano Ambassador really wouldn’t need such a title, that’s essentially the role of IOHK, CF or Emurgo employees. Official ambassador is implied by employment. Community involvement is a more appropriate place to assign that title if anywhere.
It’s obvious you really like Cardano community champion. Considering this is a departure from the community feeling that have felt the energy to comment on anything related to this, would you consider more strongly, as a point of perhaps extending an olive-branch to the creators of the program, to consider the amendment as I’ve suggested and keep the word ambassador?
I feel it’s self evident.
I don’t think you’re wrong, but I do see that this is how governments become bloated and systems become over regulated. Simple is better and more efficient. Such complicated systems end up becoming a bureaucracy rather than a democracy.
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I think we all did our part. Brought up the issue, debated about it. It’s up for the few people in charge to deal with it if they want to. We were loud enough to let them hear our voice. Let’s put our bets if anything happens 
@rjmcoin I can’t make a decision / agreement in the name of any part of the Community (I don’t have such empowerment & authority) and also don’t have the illusion of being able to make any decisions here.
We do operate like a corporation. From my side it’s all about trying to influence topics towards what I believe in and feel it’s the right direction. Once the debate is over and points are made its time to drop the case.
I love you @Zenman, you know that. But rebranding is far from bureaucracy. I have suffered from bureaucracy quite a lot in my professional life and hate it.
Peace
I guess the right now name should be more like Cardano Honored Volunteers , which is more fit and doesn’t give people false impression.
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Cardano Ambassadors works fine for me, as is the case for others apparently, looking at @Zenman’s poll results.
Also, privacy (some anonymous/some not) is not an issue for me. I might even ask the CF to change it back to ‘‘Katsumoto’’, and perhaps with my name in (…) besides it, since that’s the screen name the community knows me by.
Additionally, if people are genuinely interested in knowing who I am, I’ll tell them my name, no problem. There’s absolutely NO NEED to ask/force/coerce anyone into doxing oneself.
It’s like asking for a day off from work…technically, your superior/boss, shouldn’t even be asking you the ‘‘Why?’’ question, or asking you to clarify yourself.
The reasoning for a day off is allowed to remain ‘anonymous’, as this is a basic right. So whatever it is you’re taking a day off for, is none of anyone’s business. Same for the aforementioned. This kind of ‘power harassment’ is applied quite frequently in Japanese businesses/companies. They ask you to state your reasoning for taking a day off, while by law (and in fact) they have no right to be asking you this in the first place, let alone demand it.
The only thing that should matter here is whether or not the people of the community value the contributions or the work you do for the ecosystem. Nothing more nothing less. This is my view.
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yes, forget your name, nationality, gender, and skin color. they are moot points in a meritocracy. we are a self-organizing collective and we have hidden figures.
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This is not a better future it is a worse future. NOT the first time in history people hid behind an organisation and justified actions collectively. Guess what it does not work that well. What works is making people responsible and as they get more power have checks and balances in how much, how long, and what type of power they will have.
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yes, i can understand the concern. a meritocracy keeps everyone in check.
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Yes we need checks and balances history shows us time and time again this is the case. Thanks for seing this view. But keep in mind anonymity is a way to discard any individual responsibility
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@cliff Meritocracy
Eystein_Hansen is correct. It keeps nobody in check. Let’s do the check shall we.
Meritocracy is a Political philosophy which is a, ruling of influential class of educated or able people.
Yes it can also be used in Organizations.
It defines that Merit is the bench mark and talent pushes a person forward to have more say and influence.
It also stipulates that it is important that everyone has a right to express their opinions openly and specifically states often.
With this phrase misteraxyz is proven correct in telling Sean Alimov that to ban/suspend a person from interacting and voicing their opinion has exactly the opposite effect and outcome. In fact it would probable make you an enemy for life and create turmoil beyond your expectations.
The above is all fact.
I personal disagree with Meritocracy as it forgets about the disabled the impaired or people with challengers and people with wealth that has been built up by hard work and years of trials and era in making right decisions.
So who am I to argue with you? Let’s do a fact check test on what’s happening on this forum, CF and IOHF staff members. If I would give the test a title it would be What’s in a name.
The main emphasize been Cardano Ambassadors, Anonysmous and individuals behaviour.
Let’s start with @Werkof (Marcus) He brings one of the regular members private company into a Cardano website forum and starts to slander the company and the individual. He not only does it with intent but also brings Cardano companies and their affiliates into disrepute. He has over stepped the line into the legal and media world of uncertainty. He has done all this under the umbrella of Cardano Ambassadors. Marcus I hope this individual seeks legal advise not only to sue you but also pursue the companies that you represent as an Ambassador. I hope everyone is getting the picture? Now imagen if this Ambassador was anonysmous the companies that indorsed him would have no recourse.
We move on to test 2. @Undersearcher who is an Anonysmous Cardano Ambassador. If he was part of test one, he would have got away scot free. Also as belowsearch has as his profile picture a monkey with Cardano Ambassador affiliated to it does not appear very dignified to say the lest. So on a voting system if through indications of pressing the like button and let’s use a factual example based on the meritocracy system.
Belowsearcher states:
I do find it ironic that some people seem to be claiming this cannot be done under an anonymous account. You do realize that arguably the biggest and most important contribution in the entire cryptocurrencies space was actually done by an anonymous person; Satoshi Nakamoto?
My Knysna rebuttal:
Not claiming it can’t be done. Stating it should not be done.
Firstly Satoshi Nakamoto? started something without a community. He then disappeared into thin air and hasn’t come back You do realize your argument is void.
I can go on to say Satoshi Nakamoto advocated Decentralization.
Now clearly if you are honest, have integrity and one of my favourite sayings “side with the principle and not the person”. I was stating a matter of fact and clearly belowsearcher has not got a leg to stand on in this specific case.
However he gets 14 likes and me 1. So the wrong answer got most votes and then Maki.mukai of IOHK receives 15 in support of belowsearcher anonysmous stance.
Sour grapes one might cry. No I rattled the cage and more came out.
Clearly something is rotten in the state of Denmark. Meritocracy at work.
We move on to our last two Meritocracy tests.
Firstly one of the biggest culprits of an over powerful ego.
@SeanAlimov a Cardano Ambassador suspends me within minutes of posting my example to prove why Anonysmous and proper back ground checks are important if you going to link a title to companies. He then goes on to say someone flagged it Who? And then he took it down. It was so quick that I guess he flagged it and took it down because it implicated him.
He goes on to say this type of behavior will not be tolerated. Please refer to forum etiquette.
One of the etiquette is: We take harassment seriously. Harassment includes offensive verbal comments related to gender, age, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race, religion, but also includes deliberate intimidation, stalking, following, sustained disruption of conversation. Harassment of admins or moderators will not be tolerated.
But allows @Andy_Hendrikx another Ambassador to use foul language in the same sentence with Emergo and IOHK. Your Meritocracy principles have been corrupted and like governments many are implicit in towing a line.
The two video’s to prove why Anonysmous and proper back ground checks are important if you going to link a title to companies. Is:
Firstly @SeanAlimov not only acting on a public platform but is entirely his own production.
My issue is as he says and points out in forum etiquette as an Cardano ambassador “ We take harassment seriously. Harassment includes offensive verbal comments related to gender, age, sexual orientation”.
I ask all the ladies on the forum, in Emergo and IOHK do you condone and accept this type of behaviour that is degrading, belittling and undermining your worth not only through foul language but physical intent and thought. I must however admit I could not watch the whole thing, it just did not feel right.
As one of the watches put it “You guys suck?!?!? creepy guy with the weird accent! Who wrote This wet dream of a demo reel?
This is a serious issue you cannot alienate a man’s thought and actions on a public forum then give him credits or merit for this behaviour then associate it with a world class, new 3rd generation block chain company.
“out of the heart the mouth speaks” The sad thing is he sent me an email stating:
“ I own my identity. I’m very conscious of what I put online, anything you may find on me is there by my choice. Admins do vet every Ambassador. Harassment of admins or moderators will not be tolerated”.
So clearly he has thought through it and couldn’t care less how it reflects on woman or Cardano and it’ ecosystem.
You take a look at the video and see if you would with integrity condone this type of content and want this type of person presenting your company.
The other video from another Cardano Ambassador @berry3k was belittling the gay community on an open platform.
So cliff do you still say our ecosystem is tickety- boo?
As I have proven in practice unrestricted Meritocracy without equal rules and concentrated power in a few hands turns into a autocracy.
This system is broke, it needs to be taken apart and started all over again with professional mature people heading up the M&C team. Just for the record I am an investor in Cardano. Believe in the product and have utter respect for all most all in the companies, but will look after my interest, not in silence. The world media is coming into this space quicker than you think we don’t need sloppy people in key positions and handing out titles that will make a mockery of us. As I said before there is an alignment forming that is not healthy for our ecosystem and Cardano foundation needs to correct this.
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Sorry guy, you’re wrong, he did this himself at Cardano Community Statistics - #9 by bercinho and it was also mentioned by another guy at Meetup in Frankfurt - #5 by bercinho
can you please point us exactly to what you define as slander?
Why you think you can question everything and everyone here, but then react like pathetic dogs when you are asked a single question?
Say a watchdog who claim to represent “the community”.
I’ll tell you a secret: Liquid democracy will not mean that from now on you are right always and everywhere.
Please reconsider your post and opinion.
You must be joking 
I have commented my contact email address to Andy to send some statistics to, which you think that entitles you to bring my private company and drag it down into the mud with childish questioning?
The other guy (Ganesh) 6 months ago (!) mentioned his introductionary origin (that´s how he is related to me) in the context of a Meetup plan and was his first and last post in this Forum.
You think this entitles you to go to the website of the private company, try to look for something to attack (I guess you don´t read it as planning to acquire services from me?), make a screenshot post it here and come with some infantile accusation?
Markus could you please grow up?
Btw I intentionally didn´t flag any posts as inappropriate from yesterday´s thread and you kept this post about my private company online, meaning you think (along with all the moderators / admins of this Forum) that this was all fine & nice? Shame on you all!
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@werkof I will not you are a disgrace and should not carry a title of Ambassador. Shame on you. Remember you actively have promoted this and brought a mans company into a discussion/turned argument that had nothing at all to do with his company. It was clearly intentional. This is just the tip of the ice berg if you carry on trying dirty tricks.
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