Chase was already caught manipulating the silver market.
I wrote out a long response to 9/11 and deleted it because this is hardly the place to be discussing that. You brought up some horrible examples though.
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I see it. It’s more just calling it how I see it. When I see someone insulting other people and pretending they have all the answers I say something.
Well markets are my specialty and I am very well aware of the silver market… So glad you brought that up, yes there were fines issued for manipulation of the silver market to several banks and there has been several cases. But if you actually deeply understand markets, the manipulation they took part in is completely immaterial to the long-term downtrend of silver. The manipulation they took part happens on a daily-basis in every market.
First there was fraud regarding the daily price-fix of silver (this was obvious that it was going to happen, which is why we dont want a daily price fix and that it is only used in very few markets) again this is very short term manipulation that does not affect anything other than some day-traders
The second is classic market maker manipulation, which is again very short term and is basically just screwing traders over and their stop-losses. Happens in any market, and will happen naturally, within that is a few big, or a lot of small.
It is scalping out money from daily traders (gamblers)… and has no real impact on the market itself… Like if you are an investor you are not impacted.
Again a lot of the silver-investors completely misunderstood the “manipulation” and what they were fined for… Again they didn’t understand what it was… and jumped on the easy bandwagon of just calling it manipulation of the entire silver market, and they just want the price to go down etc… Which is all BS…
Silver fell because of market-cycles… I am heavily invested in Silver and I the whole ride down was no surprise to me - it had to flush out weak hands… The market doesn’t give money out to hype and majority… and it has taken a long time to get rid of all the amateur money… and its still playing out…
There is no way to manipulate a market over the long term, the market will always prevail.
You brought it up.
Nobody believes that all bankers are evil, it’s the ones pulling the strings that are evil.
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What’s wrong with this logic??
Ever play poker?
What happens when one guy has 80% of all chips at the table?
How hard is it for this guy to dominate the game over a long period of time?
Now imagine the central banks have held the majority of money for over 3 Centuries. The reason we have rules today is because these kats invented “market manipulation!”
I believe the founding Rotheschild had circuit riders who were faster than anyone elses. The moment England won the Napoleon war, Rotheschild’s received word first. To which they spread FUD thru their means, leaking that England had lost. The markets crashed and they bought as much as they could. Three days later, word came that England won, the markets rose again and Rotheschild cashed out.
True Story.
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When I was young, my father told me this a very few times (literally): “If somebody behaves stupidly you do not need to do the same.”, but pls replace the stupid with some relevant word and this applies to the @jb455 either.
This is classic buy low, sell high in this case by spreading rumors… Again this is not some big evil conspiracy this is very basic stuff and something many market participants use … again today we have a lot better access to information which makes it a lot harder but it is inherently baked into the price… and again, it doesn’t change anything for you as an investor, only trader, because non-sense/lies only affect the short term.
Greedy, I like to say the ones pulling the strings are greedy, evil may be misunderstood on several level’s and then there are some of us that do not think much of the word, sometimes I use the term sick, cause greed in no way on it’s own can push someone to acquiesce into some of the conspiracies that are out there.
Fair enough… I just dont want to repeat the Martin Niemöller line of thinking.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
I don’t know if you consider the official story about what happened to flight 800 a conspiracy or a cover up but that plane did not blow up because of a fuel tank explosion.
Sick is a good description too.
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How ya’ll hanging in there?
Yep, sorry got distracted. Still buying it, but as I have mentioned it in some other post, I feel the urge to free up all my crypto investments and buy all in.:). there is a big battle in my brain between the angel and devil.
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I actually have been telling everyone I know they should dump the other crypto’s that don’t have the same weight and hold Cardano Hahaha 
But I have been sold since 68c when i had the chance to research and to understand Ouroboros, and I did drop every little small project I had to go all in on ADA and have been adding to my position slowly with a plan to continue to accumulate enough that staking will create a reward for me,I am not a professional trader, but I kind of get it and have set aside some funds to trade (blasphemy) cause I have seen some reap some insane profit by trading when the commodity is in an upward trend, and holding all the way down to where I think we are going does not make sense (before the developments all roll out) so I am trying to understand how you traders can stomach the downtrend, makes me sick 
and then I find myself panicky and twisted into a knot, already suffered a loss and all, how do you stay cool when trading can jump and move so damn fast against your position?
Traders actually amaze me, I do watch the charts every day but there are times that there is no explanation for a move up or down and I have been watching this for a long time.
How do ya’ll do it? - I want in! - 
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They should not, as to construe anything into the past events represented as charts is easy. Means, you can see anything in the chart that represents the past. The hard one is to draw the line after the now.
Anyway, the 1st simple rule is to sell high and buy low. It’s easy to say but, hard to stick on it as we are all humans and are mainly driven by emotion means buying at high (FOMO) and selling at low (FUD). And, also we never know what is the high and low just after when it’s happened. So, today’s low can be the yesterday’s high tomorrow easily.
I think, the risk assessment and the diversity are the two most important elements of it, as trading is mostly about losing, which is about 60% percent of the trades. So, you need to win at least 1.5x more than your losses to not earn anything.
Also, the losses are more-painful then it looks as if you lose 50% on a trade then you need to gain 100% to be at 0 profit e.g. Initially you have 100 lose 50 (means lost 50%), you need another 50 which is 100% of your current balance. So, if somebody trades more than 1-2% of their trading capital then they’re gamblers and not traders.
If you really want in, then you should read this very carefully, it’s very educative: http://www.metastocktools.com/downloads/turtlerules.pdf
And if you won’t then forget it really.
Disclaimer: I am not a professional trader and all the above is just my opinion that is based on my personal experiences and researches.
I’m not an all or nothing person.
Do I think there are skilled short term investors here? Yes. Do I think there’s a grass roots crypto revolution? Yes. Do I think there’s old money that has a strategy to try and kill it? Ues! Do I think there’s Big Whales that are shady? Yes. Do I think there are big whales that do the proper analysis and play the best risk management, who can also help negate over-hype; bringing about proper corrections Yes.
Am I a long term investor? Absolutely! Will I take profits if a coin goes up 45% in a day?? Absolutely! Will I buy back in when the price lowers again - Yep!
Still hangin in there? This might stir up a little heat, ya never know, but the green there at the bottom broke something.
As I stated in another post…hang in there, do not buy more ADA yet…give it a couple of more weeks (while watching)…Bitcoin moves the market, I “expect” BTC and ETH to go down further (dragging everything else with it)…I can see ADA going down to 10-15 cents…that’s when I will be coming in to buy (I had purchased throughout the dip, but want to get the most coins for the money…now I have become greedy…LOL)…at the time of this post BTC is 8750 and dropping
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I’m in that camp also.
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At this point ETH is under 600 and BTC 7980…My crystal ball was right today…LOL…it is telling me now ETH 500 and BTC 7K in 2 weeks…